Products (Manufacturing, Products, Engineering)

Dear community,  I have a shop order with 5 components. One of them is linked to the outside operation by the procedure step in the tab materials on the shop order.  Then, I put “ship WIP to outside operation” function for each shop order created. But this does not make any sense from time-wise point of view.  However, the purchase order is then created by marking all the lines at once and this creates just one purchase order all together. I was hoping to use the functionality ship supplier material but this works only for components and not non-inventory parts. Is there any chance to do this “in general” for all the shop orders under one DOP? At least for one operation block at once? So they can use just the waddacco process to send it out?  Do you have any solution that does not involve custom-made solution?  

Hello,Is the option to duplicate a line on the Outside Operation Cost screen not available?If so, is there any way to enable this functionality?We have a user requesting this feature. I have tested using an account with full access rights, but the option still does not appear to be available. 

Hello everyone,I am currently working on a customer case where we are evaluating the use of Sales and Operations Planning (S&OP) in an environment based on Make-to-Order (MTO) and MS Level 1 parts.The customer is using Demand Planner, and the forecast is transferred directly to MS Level 1, which is then used for production and procurement planning. They do not use MS Level 0 parts in their current process, as all planning is based on real, sellable items.When analyzing S&OP, we see that it can technically work with MS Level 1 data (forecast and supply). However, setup screens such as Product Family Master still do not take an MS Level 1 part.The customer’s goal is to use S&OP mainly to compare unconstrained demand vs constrained operations plan and to support capacity evaluation (RRP), without modifying the original forecast.Could you please clarify:What is the recommended approach for using S&OP in an MTO setup based on MS Level 1? Is the MS Level 0 part still required

Problematic:In APB, we have the ability to remove the setup time for 2 consecutive shop orders of the same PART_NO.APB > Settings > Setup Optimization > Use part number only In Cloud, we now have the ability to schedule from the Shop Order Operations window. But when scheduling 2 consecutive Shop Orders of the same Part_No, IFS doesn’t allow us to do any Setup Optimization without using the Setup Matrix. Proposed Solution:Like in APB, we would like to have the ability to select a Setup Optimization option to remove setup time for consecutive shop orders of the same Part_no. 

Problematic:In Shop Order Operations, we have the ability to create Operation Blocks.  Each Blocks could be scheduled individually. At some point the first operation attached to an Operation Block will be in production and will get fully produced.  Therefore the first operation(s) and Shop Order of an Operation Block will get closed and the following operations of the Operation Block are still to be produced. The issue we are facing is that IFS will not let you schedule an Operation Block having a Closed Shop Order.  We have to manually disconnect the closed operations of the Operation Block and then Schedule the Operation Block. Proposed Solution:We would like to be able to Schedule an Operation Block even if closed operations or closed Shop Orders are attached to an Operation Block. In this instance, only the non closed or cancelled Shop Orders/Operations would be Scheduled within that Operation Block.

Does anyone have experience or an explanation of how to utilize and use the Manufacturing Tool/Equipment function? We are considering whether this is something we can use in connection with a production where we use forming tools. The idea is that we need to register which forming tools we use in a Shop Order.Cloud, 25R1SU08

HiWhen we do an Engineering Revision Transfer our manufacturing site complain that data in the product structure is being overwritten.They have entered data in column “Consumption Item”. Some parts they have set as “Consumed” and some parts in the same structure have been set as “Not Consumed”.However, when we do the transfer, all parts are changed to “Consumed” which is quite annoying.Also data as Scrap factor and Reserve/Issue from Loc are being overwritten.Can anybody tell me how we can prevent this overwriting of data?Best regardsTove Virkelyst

Hi,I know that we can use , Labor time machine time ( which ever the higher) to schdule operations ( start finish time) using APB or CBS. For “labor only” operations with dummy work center( because  shop order operaiton can not be saved without work center) with 0 machine run factor can be a work around. Reason dummy work center will not be shown as loaded in visual planning graphs and operators do not need to report time for dummy machine.But, the drawback is if you do not put “corresponding dummy run factor for dummy work center” , the shop order operation start finish time will be same. Above post 4 years ago about this  behaviour. Has anything done about this in core solution? Are there any future plans? Any better work around for labor only operations ( need to consider the labor time only for scheduling in shop order infinite scheduler )Thanks 

Hi All,How to extract the daily production out put against the shop order which are issued to production.We have multi workcenter  ( one Shop order could have various  1-6 various operations) manufacturing production.I would like to know how much has been completed against Work centre /shop order every day.Do we have any report or query which can provide such info daily basis? Thanks,

Hi everyone.I’m looking for a way to exclude workstation configuration costs when calculating product costs. In my company, production involves a high degree of batch variation. In my case, the standard batch size always generates deviations that I would prefer not to analyse every time. For the calculation, I use the following cost elements: 300, 321, 322 Thanks in advance for your suggestions on how to solve this :)

This is related to Cloud 25.1.  Have a scenario where many records on the Engineering Transfer Actions screen had the “Assign” command selected.  This pushed the records to the Engineering Revision Transfer Status screen but have the wrong Provide Code and also the wrong Part Type (Purchased Raw, should be Manufactured).   I have not found a way to make the desired changes on the records to switch them to manufactured, have also not found a way to undo the “Assign” and put the records back on Engineering Transfer Actions screens.  Looking for any input on ways to do this.Thanks!

Hi all,I have an issue with a part revision in IFS Cloud.There is only 1 part revision The Phase In date is 01-01-2025 (in the past) The product structure has the status buildable The status still remains “Not In Effect”When releasing a shop order, I also receive the warning:“The default structure revision [1] for shop order [...] is not effective on the start date 20-05-2026 16:03. Do you want to continue?”Questions:Why does the revision not automatically switch to “In Effect”? What conditions could block this, even when there is only one revision and the Phase In date is in the past?Thanks in advance!Kind regards, Willem

 WIP Tracking and Labeling Across Operations in IFSWe have a manufacturing process consisting of multiple operations: Milling, Drilling, and Welding.The material transformation flow is as follows:Raw Material: Steel After Milling → Milled Steel (WIP) After Drilling → Milled & Drilled Steel (WIP) After Welding → Finished ProductWe would like to understand how to effectively trace and manage Work-in-Progress (WIP) at each stage of this process within IFS.Specifically, we are looking for guidance on:How to track WIP quantities and status after each operation (Milling, Drilling, Welding) Whether it is possible to physically identify and differentiate WIP items at each stage How to print barcode labels or stickers for WIP items after each operation How to associate WIP items with locations or work centers to reflect their physical position on the shop floor Recommended best practices in IFS to demarcate and control WIP between operationsOur goal is to achieve clear visibility, traceabil

Hi All, I’m trying to make a workflow that changes values on an new shop order. Currently shoporder has defaults of * for Release and Sequence numbers and I want to make those something else, for example, lets say X. I set up the workflow, with call in the projection actions:  and then set the workflow design in the same way as the IFS example:    Then I deployed it, and switched on the action. However, I get no change on the new shop order - defaults are still *I have tried changing the timing: before, after, async, nothing helps. I do see this in the network → response in devtools:                "origin": "MT",                "time": "1764932228185",                "category": "WORKFLOW",                "level": "TRACE",                "type": "Workflow",                "text": " ProcessKey: SetShopOrderDefaults, ProcessType: PROCESS_AUGMENT, ProcessTiming: AFTER, Action Type: CALL, Projection Name: ShopOrderHandling, CALL: ShopOrd_Default():ShopOrd",                "statistic": "Tr

Hi all,Does anyone know if there is a standard solution in IFS Cloud for the following scenario?We are working with a Make-to-Order shop order where, for example, 11 main products are produced on one shop order. When the shop order is received, these 11 products are physically packed onto 10 pallets.Each pallet contains a part of the total quantity of the 11 main products. The requirement is that the receipt should result in 10 handling units, representing the 10 physical pallets. These handling units then need to be reserved to the customer order.Has anyone handled a similar process in IFS Cloud?The main questions are:Can the produced quantity be split across multiple handling units during shop order receipt? Is it possible to reserve these handling units directly to the related customer order that contains 11 main products? Is there a recommended standard process for this, or would this require a customization/workaround?Any advice, experience, or suggested setup would be appreciated

Does MSO consider labor from work tasks that aren’t connected to a work center/machine as part of the labor capacity? 

Hi, IFS Cloud version 25R2 The inventory part has been set for Planning Method “G” and the Order Cover time is “10”.  Demands for the part are coming from two separate projects A single PNG created for both the projects (part transfer within PNG has been disabled) Execute the PMRP for the PNG Background job has been completed  Now, in the results the PMRP has created a supply that is only satisfying the demand of one project. The problem why the demand from the other project was not considered in the supply planning.

Hello, IFS Heroes… I have found in IFS official documentation this description: ‘If using the PM Grouping Rule on PM actions, the PM actions with same values for grouping rule parameters defined and that fall due at same time will be generated into one work order. This will result in all work list lines planned on the PM actions becoming work tasks on the generated work order. “ Key words of these statement  “fall due at same time will be generated into same work order”  I  consider this as if works should be done at a same day it will be grouped to one work order. But, unfortunately, all works grouped in one work order from start of a month and to a end of the month. Is it feature or bug? What do you think?

When printing report Shop order work instruction with “print attached documents” selected.  The report prints fine, the documents dialog pops up allowing the user to select which connected documents to print.  However this seems to bypass the configured macro functionality for the document classes.   Is this by design?  Or is there a workaround or a way to extend the print attached documents function to ensure configured print document macros are run.   The business has a number of essential functions which the macros run and this seems to skip them.   The client is using 25 R1.   

Problem We have an Entity ShopMaterialAlloc with some Custom Fields   I want to create a Tab List in “Shop Floor Workbench” Page to show “Where Used Material” based on association between “ShopOrderOperation” and “ShopMaterialAlloc”OPERATION_NO - CF_MATR_WHERE_USED_OPERORDER_NO - ORDER_NORELEASE_NO - RELEASE_NOSEQUENCE_NO - SEQUENCE_NO In Projection Configuration for “ShopFloorWorkBenchHandling” I can’t select “ShopMaterialAlloc” as Child Entity though it should be an entity known to “ShopFloorWorkBenchHandling”  I already have other tabs in “Shop Floor Workbench” showing Custom Entities where this works fine So how can I create a new association to “ShowMaterialAlloc” 

Hi all,we are currently facing a situation in IFS Cloud where operations (especially in assembly) are defined with labor time only (labor run time), without any machine time.We observe that in such cases, the system sets start time equal to end time, meaning no actual duration is considered for scheduling → Which is standardFrom our understanding, scheduling in IFS is based on the work center/resource occupation, which is driven by machine time.This raises the question:Is it mandatory to maintain machine time (machine factor) for proper scheduling, even if the operation is purely labor-based (e.g., manual assembly)?And in addition, in the context of MSO.Will missing machine time prevent MSO from correctly scheduling and considering capacity, since no resource load is generated?We did a few testing without machine run factor no scheduling.We would appreciate confirmation whether this is standard system behavior or if there are alternative modeling approaches for labor-only operations.Ar

Hi,  When using IFS Cloud 25R1, I have Shop Orders setup with documents either directly connected to operation work guidelines or transformed to them, yet when I try to create Work Instruction report, I do not get the option to “Print attached documents”.  I have checked release notes and can’t see that it has been deprecated and the help guides still say that this function is there (with no prereqs).  Is this something anybody has seen?   Also, logged in as ifsapp, so not a permissions thing.   

Hi all,When using Mass Update Shop Order Structures to update shop orders, I would like to know where I can see exactly which changes were made to the shop orders by this mass update.Is there any specific log or history that shows the old and new values for the updated material lines? These updates cannot be found in the shop order history, I can only find the manual changed materials/ routings. Also I dont see the changes records in the background job information.  Kind regards, Willem

Hello IFS Community, hope somebody has an answer for this, i’ve been searching with no solution just yet, i got the Media Objected connected to my Activity Scope and Schedule page, but when i try to go in it, as soon as i click the “Media” tab under the attachments, i get the “No Access” Message below, i added a few Media related projections i got it to where i can upload media items, but everytime i click the “Media” tab, i get the message below. i added the “MEDIA_LIBRARY” Permission set added and i algo added the “MediaHandling” projection, along with a few other related. what permission am i missing here? im in 24R2. thank you in advance for all your help!  

Hi,Is there a way to mass close shop orders that are still open in IFS Cloud? Specifically, there are older shop orders in Started or Parked status that are already completed in terms of quantity, or cannot be closed due to issues such as control plan errors.These shop orders need to be closed without generating additional system transactions, as that could impact financial records.If mass closing is not possible, deleting the shop orders would also be acceptable.I have already checked the “Mass Delete Shop Orders and Clockings” option; however, it requires the shop orders to be either Cancelled or Closed before they can be processed.Thank You.