Hello, I have begun using Serial tracking for parts in IFS Apps 10. However, I have noticed an issue with Shop Order analysis. It appears that if you define 100% checking on a Control Plan, it will require that each Serialized part is accounted for on EACH Shop Order Analysis. This becomes a significant issue if you report parts and generate another analysis. As an example, if you have a SO with a Lot Size of five and you reserve your serial numbers on the Shop Order. You then generate an analysis, and select all five serial numbers, you will have to perform checks for all of them. There is no way around this, you cannot cancel incomplete lines and finish the Analysis. I have tested reporting 3 pieces of the lot and creating another analysis. However, the results are the same, the system is looking for 5 serial numbers still, even though 3 have already been assigned to the reported pieces. I'm not understanding the intended functionality, it seems to create a lot of issues. My only solution has been to change the Control Plan checks to a qty an set that to 2 or something. That way I only need to check two of the SNs I am producing. Any guidance on how best to approach this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

Serial Tracking Shop Order Analysis issue

Hi @cjohnson,

You are correct, if you have activated the Control Plan with 100% sampling plan, then business users would need to enter the analysis results for each serial, and this is logical since different businesses need different sampling plans.

You can decide the best-suited sampling plan as per your business needs.

You can use Acceptance Sampling Parameters options as well, where the system decides the Shop Order analysis sample size as per the Shop Order lot size on the basis of different standards.

Let’s continue this discussion to understand your business needs in detail.

Regards

Abdul Rehman

@Abdul Thank you. I understand the functionality, so there are definitely considerations that need to be given based on the rigidity of serialization in IFS. If the CP is setup wrong, you may not actually be able to perform an analysis if you’ve already reported stock and committed the reserved serial numbers.

@cjohnson, you can create new Control Plan revision any time, and can replace existing revision with new revison on Shop Order level.

@cjohnson On the Shop Order > Control Plan > Control Plan Line tab, have you considered:

unchecking the Included checkbox for the Default lines coming from the Control Plan
adding shop order-specific Control Plan Lines with custom Sample Quantities

One shortcoming is you cannot connect a Control Plan Line where Source = Specific to a Trigger.

An example, where my standard Data Points 1 and 3 will not be on any Analysis I manually create but Data Points 8 and 9 will be.

Hi @matt.watters would that not require intervention with every Shop Order then? I don’t see how that would scale if you’re releasing a significant amount of Shop Orders, you would need to adjust each one, correct?

Yes, that is likely, if this situation exists for every manufactured serial part that has a Control Plan.

Another solution to consider would be a sample size of 1 for every data point, but multiple analyses (one per serial) for a shop order. These multiple analyses could be triggered or manually created ad hoc.

@matt.watters That’s actually what I’ve been testing. Doing a sample size of 1 and then instructing operations if they need to do a 100% inspection, they would have to generate an analysis for each PN produced on the Shop Order. Thanks for the feedback.

@cjohnson if cancelling analyses that are not required is not a problem, you can try this also. On the control plan, enter ‘X’ number of triggers of type Start Shop Order. When the shop order is started, ‘X’ analyses will be created. If 20 are created and you need only 15, cancel the remaining 5.

@matt.watters Are you saying to add multiple start of Shop Order triggers? In the example below, I’ve added two.

@cjohnson yes, but I am seeing odd behavior in my 24.2.6 world. With one trigger of this type, I get one analysis. But with two triggers I get 4 analyses, with 3 triggers I get 9 analyses. I did not see this behavior in EE.

@matt.watters Thanks for the heads up. I’ll stick to the 1 qty for the sample and have associates generate each for the entire lot of the SO.

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